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Boys at the locksmith Richmond shop said decode in both ways ie from front to back then the other way and you get different readings. it seems to bind going cap to bolt and then you need to reverse from loading key. An easy decoder to use but simple to get wrong with user error I keep looking at decoders (kid in sweet shop)

I keep wondering if a nice to have or if essential tools, mainly euro's near me. But like to think I can tackle anything (within reason). I can usually decode by picking or plasticine. Its certain leaver combinations, usually low number 1 then high number 2 that take a bit longer to pick than I am happy with ie can be tricky to get back under number 1, or trick me into thinking I am under number 2 when I am under no 3. (So over lift 3 etc)

I have found you can test for this by making sure your pick comes up under no1 (don't lift) then as you move to number 2 listen to see if you hear no1 drop back down.

This tells you no 1 was sat on the curtain. You will have to cork screw to get back under it. This can sometimes be tricky.
 
one of the guys at the car locksmith Richmond yard was thinking for union and Yale about key cutting some down to the height of lowest leaver and modifying into a tension wrench. That way if I think I have got a low number 1 that I can’t get under, I can pre-lift and pick as usual. (Tool would only work on Yale and Union, but could make others).

I suppose my question is to the guys who have decoders, should I just get some decoders? Only if you are going to use them, they just make entry faster. You have to way up the cost against the usage. If you barely see the locks why pay several hundred pounds on the off chance. Went to a lockout for an estate agent last night at 6pm.....`key won’t open lock`

Tried key several time, jammed after 1/4 to 1/2 a turn, tried both ways several times still jamming. Out with pick, 2 levers lift but won’t on the other 3 keep trying, take pick out use key eventually after about 6 attempts finally turned key and door opened.
 
The local locksmith Richmond agent wanted a new lock fitted no problem job done. Now at home take faceplate off to find problem the spring for handle return had broken and was catching on levers.

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